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		<title>By: salt h2o</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36482</link>
		<dc:creator>salt h2o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you truely didn&#039;t care- you wouldn&#039;t have posted about it.  

By posting about it you open it up to conversation and give the critism some validity. 

Few people take the time to write about an issue they don&#039;t think is worth their time or discussing.  

If the media would stop giving the topic a forum we could do what really should be done, and move on to real issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you truely didn&#8217;t care- you wouldn&#8217;t have posted about it.  </p>
<p>By posting about it you open it up to conversation and give the critism some validity. </p>
<p>Few people take the time to write about an issue they don&#8217;t think is worth their time or discussing.  </p>
<p>If the media would stop giving the topic a forum we could do what really should be done, and move on to real issues.</p>
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		<title>By: jess</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36473</link>
		<dc:creator>jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>people who choose to be in the public eye put their family in the public eye, too. i agree that bristol&#039;s pregnancy should be somewhat off-limits, but people are still going to talk about it.

what an excellent opportunity for every parent in america to sit down with their kids and talk about sex. if this isn&#039;t an open door for a discussion, i don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>people who choose to be in the public eye put their family in the public eye, too. i agree that bristol&#8217;s pregnancy should be somewhat off-limits, but people are still going to talk about it.</p>
<p>what an excellent opportunity for every parent in america to sit down with their kids and talk about sex. if this isn&#8217;t an open door for a discussion, i don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Okelberry</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36469</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Okelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, Aaron, it does seem a bit unfair when someone can go around throwing stones but is then termed off limits because they are the child or spouse of a candidate.  Good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, Aaron, it does seem a bit unfair when someone can go around throwing stones but is then termed off limits because they are the child or spouse of a candidate.  Good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Orgill</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36467</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Orgill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All that said, though, it is a far different thing for someone who is actively campaigning to try to claim immunity.  It didn&#039;t sit right with me when Obama was whining about people taking swipes at his wife, because she was out there doing the dirty work herself.  To me, the rule should be anyone who&#039;s not in the game is off limits, and that clearly includes the pregnant teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that said, though, it is a far different thing for someone who is actively campaigning to try to claim immunity.  It didn&#8217;t sit right with me when Obama was whining about people taking swipes at his wife, because she was out there doing the dirty work herself.  To me, the rule should be anyone who&#8217;s not in the game is off limits, and that clearly includes the pregnant teenager.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Okelberry</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36459</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Okelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point Jessica...  Republicans long criticized Hillary for putting her daughter on the campaign trail then making her off limits.  It&#039;s now time for Republicans to step up and stop using this issue to an advantage.  If people want to disparage her let them, they will only drive others to support her.  We all have real political issues to discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point Jessica&#8230;  Republicans long criticized Hillary for putting her daughter on the campaign trail then making her off limits.  It&#8217;s now time for Republicans to step up and stop using this issue to an advantage.  If people want to disparage her let them, they will only drive others to support her.  We all have real political issues to discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36454</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be an irrelevant issue, though in this world, it won&#039;t be.  

Teenagers make their own decisions, and it will be a shame if Governor Palin is judged by the choices of her children.  

On that same note, if children are off limits, than the republicans should abstain from spinning this to their advantage (ignore the bad, point out the good).

I hope what this election comes down to is a decision on each of the people running, and not on their families, creed, or color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be an irrelevant issue, though in this world, it won&#8217;t be.  </p>
<p>Teenagers make their own decisions, and it will be a shame if Governor Palin is judged by the choices of her children.  </p>
<p>On that same note, if children are off limits, than the republicans should abstain from spinning this to their advantage (ignore the bad, point out the good).</p>
<p>I hope what this election comes down to is a decision on each of the people running, and not on their families, creed, or color.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Okelberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Okelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We truly have become a nation of petty gossips…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We truly have become a nation of petty gossips…</p>
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		<title>By: Tyson</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36422</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, it is a waste of time.

Now we have more sensational crap for the media to focus on than real issues in the election. 

I care not about this, or the opportunistic posturing of McCain over the hurricane, or the high ratings the Obama speech has been given. It is all just secondary crap to what they will offer us if we vote for them.

But real issues are boring to watch and hear about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it is a waste of time.</p>
<p>Now we have more sensational crap for the media to focus on than real issues in the election. </p>
<p>I care not about this, or the opportunistic posturing of McCain over the hurricane, or the high ratings the Obama speech has been given. It is all just secondary crap to what they will offer us if we vote for them.</p>
<p>But real issues are boring to watch and hear about.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Orgill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Orgill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had about the same reaction when I first heard this as Tom did: so the hell what?  I am glad she&#039;s not destroying the baby, and hope all ends well for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had about the same reaction when I first heard this as Tom did: so the hell what?  I am glad she&#8217;s not destroying the baby, and hope all ends well for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Okelberry</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/09/01/a-pregnant-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-36375</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Okelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is one of the problems the pro-life community has.  On one hand we want to discourage sex outside of marriage but on the other hand we must embrace life when it occurs.  Young girls that feel too much negative pressure because of an accidental pregnancy may be simultaneously pressured into having an abortion.  Bristol Palin must have known that this was going to come to light and be widely reported, at least in her home state.  Considering how public her pregnancy was destined to become I think we all should be showing her an extra bit of gratitude for making the right choice.  Imagine how showing her as a hero in a society where “mistakes” can be so easily erased might encourage other young women to do the same.  As long as there is “choice” there needs to be overwhelming support for the right choice, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy.

Now imagine just for a second how this would have played out in the media if Palin had encouraged her daughter to abort the child to help save her political career.  Many pro-choice advocates who would normally see that as the “easy” choice would most certainly destroy her in the media, let alone what pro-life advocates would do to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is one of the problems the pro-life community has.  On one hand we want to discourage sex outside of marriage but on the other hand we must embrace life when it occurs.  Young girls that feel too much negative pressure because of an accidental pregnancy may be simultaneously pressured into having an abortion.  Bristol Palin must have known that this was going to come to light and be widely reported, at least in her home state.  Considering how public her pregnancy was destined to become I think we all should be showing her an extra bit of gratitude for making the right choice.  Imagine how showing her as a hero in a society where “mistakes” can be so easily erased might encourage other young women to do the same.  As long as there is “choice” there needs to be overwhelming support for the right choice, regardless of the circumstances surrounding the pregnancy.</p>
<p>Now imagine just for a second how this would have played out in the media if Palin had encouraged her daughter to abort the child to help save her political career.  Many pro-choice advocates who would normally see that as the “easy” choice would most certainly destroy her in the media, let alone what pro-life advocates would do to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Mero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Mero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 03:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a personal level, I agree with Tom, it&#039;s no one&#039;s business.

On a political level, it plays Palin&#039;s way...just one more reason for the &quot;common person&quot; to identify with her.

On a policy level, it could be problematic...although, so far, I don&#039;t sense it is. Palin could get defensive and project her personal problem into public policy (which would be a huge mistake, but seems more common among politicians these days).  She seems to project the opposite...i.e. no, we&#039;re not pleased as parents, but what is done is done, we have it in control, our daughter will &quot;make it right.&quot;  Who can&#039;t repsect people who take personal responsibility for their decisions? (as opposed to our lefty friends who extol the virtues of &quot;protection&quot; and then blame orthoxdox religions for these unfortunate circumstances...who can respect anyone who would blame a personal decision on anyone else?)

That said, a teenage unwed mother is not &quot;nothing.&quot;  It&#039;s sad and unfortunate. In this case, she is fortunate that she comes from a solid family -- proof again that family structure and a solid belief system are more important than the &quot;love makes a family&quot; hooey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a personal level, I agree with Tom, it&#8217;s no one&#8217;s business.</p>
<p>On a political level, it plays Palin&#8217;s way&#8230;just one more reason for the &#8220;common person&#8221; to identify with her.</p>
<p>On a policy level, it could be problematic&#8230;although, so far, I don&#8217;t sense it is. Palin could get defensive and project her personal problem into public policy (which would be a huge mistake, but seems more common among politicians these days).  She seems to project the opposite&#8230;i.e. no, we&#8217;re not pleased as parents, but what is done is done, we have it in control, our daughter will &#8220;make it right.&#8221;  Who can&#8217;t repsect people who take personal responsibility for their decisions? (as opposed to our lefty friends who extol the virtues of &#8220;protection&#8221; and then blame orthoxdox religions for these unfortunate circumstances&#8230;who can respect anyone who would blame a personal decision on anyone else?)</p>
<p>That said, a teenage unwed mother is not &#8220;nothing.&#8221;  It&#8217;s sad and unfortunate. In this case, she is fortunate that she comes from a solid family &#8212; proof again that family structure and a solid belief system are more important than the &#8220;love makes a family&#8221; hooey.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said it was funny Richard.  You still don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said it was funny Richard.  You still don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Family values?  Yes, we should discuss real family values.  Palin stands for real family values and stands up against the most PC scams of our time while the most PC of politicians like Hillary, Obama and Biden support family shredding VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) in the name of being pro-family.  

VAWA is pure political correctness and poison to the country, to the women it exploits and abuses and especially their children, and to the men and fathers it lies about and vilifies:

www.true-equality.org

Too bad Palin isn&#039;t the presidential candidate here, a true woman, the one candidate among them all that we really would benefit from most.  She is the lone one among them who is least afraid to be un-PC and really FOR THE PEOPLE.   

Feminist groups are giving Palin a &quot;zero&quot; rating for this.  That alone should clue us into this fact that she stands against the  worst PC lies, abuses and scams of our time.  NOW and other women&#039;s groups attacked her directly for this over the weekend.  

BTW, real women are on to the double standards and supremacy that NOW and related &quot;women&#039;s&quot; groups are perpetrating in the feigned name of equality and anti-abuse.  The ultimate wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Family values?  Yes, we should discuss real family values.  Palin stands for real family values and stands up against the most PC scams of our time while the most PC of politicians like Hillary, Obama and Biden support family shredding VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) in the name of being pro-family.  </p>
<p>VAWA is pure political correctness and poison to the country, to the women it exploits and abuses and especially their children, and to the men and fathers it lies about and vilifies:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.true-equality.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.true-equality.org</a></p>
<p>Too bad Palin isn&#8217;t the presidential candidate here, a true woman, the one candidate among them all that we really would benefit from most.  She is the lone one among them who is least afraid to be un-PC and really FOR THE PEOPLE.   </p>
<p>Feminist groups are giving Palin a &#8220;zero&#8221; rating for this.  That alone should clue us into this fact that she stands against the  worst PC lies, abuses and scams of our time.  NOW and other women&#8217;s groups attacked her directly for this over the weekend.  </p>
<p>BTW, real women are on to the double standards and supremacy that NOW and related &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; groups are perpetrating in the feigned name of equality and anti-abuse.  The ultimate wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Okelberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Okelberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To help our readers, I should explain Don’s comments.

Don has been defending over at OneUtah.org, Michael Moore’s statement on MSNBC where he chuckles about hurricane Gustav hitting the gulf coast during the RNC.   He also has been defending Cliff Lyon re-publishing Moore’s equally offensive prayer called “Dear God.”   Don claims that both are simply a form of satire and also apparently believes that it is nothing more than knee slapping fun.  Because it is true that Cliff Lyon only republished Moore’s statements without giving an editorial comment, I incorrectly referred to his post which likely led readers to believe that they were Lyons actual words.  Of course I still contend that when a contributor re-publishes without adding a single statement for or against, the average reader would presume that the contributor agrees with the statement fully.  I have long since appended my essay titled “Gustav During RNC Proof of God in Heaven?” to give proper credit.

How about you Don, do you still think Gustav during the RNC is funny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To help our readers, I should explain Don’s comments.</p>
<p>Don has been defending over at OneUtah.org, Michael Moore’s statement on MSNBC where he chuckles about hurricane Gustav hitting the gulf coast during the RNC.   He also has been defending Cliff Lyon re-publishing Moore’s equally offensive prayer called “Dear God.”   Don claims that both are simply a form of satire and also apparently believes that it is nothing more than knee slapping fun.  Because it is true that Cliff Lyon only republished Moore’s statements without giving an editorial comment, I incorrectly referred to his post which likely led readers to believe that they were Lyons actual words.  Of course I still contend that when a contributor re-publishes without adding a single statement for or against, the average reader would presume that the contributor agrees with the statement fully.  I have long since appended my essay titled “Gustav During RNC Proof of God in Heaven?” to give proper credit.</p>
<p>How about you Don, do you still think Gustav during the RNC is funny?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think that it’s time we all take a deep breath before becoming judgmental about blog rumors.&quot;

Such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://kvnuforthepeople.com/?p=2770#comment-36263&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog rumor&lt;/a&gt; that Michael Moore praised &quot;God&quot; for interrupting the Republican National Convention with hurricane Gustav?  Or maybe the blog rumor that Cliff Lyon and Michael Moore are the same person?  I mean, apparently they each said the exact same thing in a letter to &quot;God&quot;, right Richard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that it’s time we all take a deep breath before becoming judgmental about blog rumors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such as the <a href="http://kvnuforthepeople.com/?p=2770#comment-36263" rel="nofollow">blog rumor</a> that Michael Moore praised &#8220;God&#8221; for interrupting the Republican National Convention with hurricane Gustav?  Or maybe the blog rumor that Cliff Lyon and Michael Moore are the same person?  I mean, apparently they each said the exact same thing in a letter to &#8220;God&#8221;, right Richard?</p>
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