Hillyard did it again.
In the “Budget Review” posted at The Senate Site yesterday, Hillyard stated:
The fall of confidence in the Stock Market tells me that the quick fix pill being offered by the Federal Government won’t work.
Really, Senator?
Saying what I’ve tried to explain before much better than I would, 538.com’s Nate Silver with “Sun Rises, Markets Fall”:
One of the more unapologetically idiotic notions being advanced by certain conservative commentators is the idea that the poor performance of the stock markets represents a negative reaction to Barack Obama’s stimulus package.For one thing, the trading markets aren’t gauges of overall economic health. They are gauges of future anticipated profits for the large corporations that make up their components. In the long run, certainly, these two things should be correlated. But they needn’t be perfectly so: an oil price shock, for instance, is possibly good for the profitability of Exxon, while being damaging to the economy at large. Likewise, the announcement of a plan to take over and turnaround Citigroup, perhaps a necessary evil for economic recovery, would certainly not be good for Citigroup’s shareholders, who would probably get wiped out in the process.
That’s not the the basis of my critique, however. Rather, it’s that this line of argumentation often cites “evidence” that flies in the face of Finance 101.
Robust markets like major stock indicies are fairly good at incorporating information. They don’t literally have to see an event occur in order to “price in” its effects. On Wednesday, for example, Barack Obama signed the stimulus package into law. Once this occurred, the prospects for the passage of the stimulus rose to 100%. But what had been the probability of the stimulus bill passing the very second before Obama put pen to paper? Probably about 99.999999%, accounting for the small probability of a hostile takeover by space aliens in the intervening moments. The performance of the market in reaction to such events tells us no more about how it feels about them than it does to the rising of the sun.
What Silver explains is that even if you put aside the lack of relation between trading markets and successful policy (or even the potential for success), there still remains the fact that for these traders, the passage of the stimulus was not breaking news. Using Hillyard’s reasoning, one could argue that the markets were disappointed the stimulus bill wasn’t larger, or that there were not enough pictures of puppies in the drafted legislation and have just as much credibility.
The downturn of the markets has more relation to bank shareholder futures (which aren’t bright, you might have noticed) and even how many traders came to work with a cold that day than it does the potential effectiveness of the Recovery Act.
Hillyard knows this, and it’s disappointing to see him repeat the tripe rather than rise above it.
I’ve always expected more from him.










Despite your certainty, Hillyard’s theory is not invalid, and not beyond debate. For you to accuse him of being not wrong but dishonest is an unsubstantiated leap.
I’m actually asserting (and certain of) the opposite, Craig. Feel free to provide example’s if you disagree, but you’ll be hard pressed to find any. His claim is as unrepresentative of reality and as invalid as it gets, and it’s very frustrating to hear, coming from him of all people. He’s towing the obligatory political line, and nothing more. Something I thought he was above. For my saying this to be an “unsubstantiated leap” it would have to be unsupported by fact, but the fact is the market has nothing (and I mean absolutely nothing) to do with the ability to accurately predict the success or failure of broad economic legislation. Hillyard is pretending to do exactly that.
Also, the word “dishonest” doesn’t appear once in my post. He’s just wrong, and I believe he knows better.
I’m sorry Craig (and sorry to Lyle too as I’m a strong supporter) but I’ve worked in finance/investments my entire life andk even spent some time working on wall street and the mere suggestion of basing our policy decisions at either the state or the federal level can only be made by someone who doesn’t understand the nearly emotional fluctuation of markets. The mere suggestion is frightening. We would have some very bad policy decisions being made if the market were used to determine what would or wouldn’t succeed. The results of the Democrats stimulus plan may be open for debate but the market as any sort of a sigh is not. It’s chilling a state Senator would even suggest we begin making policy this way.
Normally not one to gloat, but since I haven’t seen a withdrawal from Senator Hillyard, I have no choice. Looks like it was the bank shareholders, rather than the stimulus. Just as suspected: