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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Joint Session Speech &#8211; Live Blog</title>
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		<title>By: Federal Farmer</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2009/02/24/obama-congressional-address-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-54182</link>
		<dc:creator>Federal Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked your play-by-play blogging of the address... while I may not have been as praiseworthy, it definitely touched on the most important portions of the speech. ;)

Jindal&#039;s speech was deflating. Nevertheless, he is trying to play his cards smartly, and if he comes out swinging this early in the game, it could limit his effectiveness in the future. The speech convinced me of Jindal&#039;s desire to run in 2012, as it sounded more like a campaign speech than a true rebuttal. But hey, that&#039;s how you jump into these things, and he was smart to be cautious in his attacks on the President (especially since the Republicans are floundering in the polls)... 

Oh, and Jakester, I loved your list!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your play-by-play blogging of the address&#8230; while I may not have been as praiseworthy, it definitely touched on the most important portions of the speech. <img src='http://kvnuforthepeople.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jindal&#8217;s speech was deflating. Nevertheless, he is trying to play his cards smartly, and if he comes out swinging this early in the game, it could limit his effectiveness in the future. The speech convinced me of Jindal&#8217;s desire to run in 2012, as it sounded more like a campaign speech than a true rebuttal. But hey, that&#8217;s how you jump into these things, and he was smart to be cautious in his attacks on the President (especially since the Republicans are floundering in the polls)&#8230; </p>
<p>Oh, and Jakester, I loved your list!!</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to the previous commenters: guys - you lost the election, get over it! 

Rest of the world wants to see you republicans fill guantanamo so pull your head in and let the dems try and fix your mess. 

and face it, no young dark guy is gonna replace obama - the whole world ain&#039;t supporting his skin colour - w&#039;re supporting his brain and heart. But GOPS wouldn&#039;t understand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to the previous commenters: guys &#8211; you lost the election, get over it! </p>
<p>Rest of the world wants to see you republicans fill guantanamo so pull your head in and let the dems try and fix your mess. </p>
<p>and face it, no young dark guy is gonna replace obama &#8211; the whole world ain&#8217;t supporting his skin colour &#8211; w&#8217;re supporting his brain and heart. But GOPS wouldn&#8217;t understand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with ya, Trent.  And Jakester too.  Watching Biden nearly asleep and bored and Nancy leading the standing ovation every time with obnoxious eagerness was good for a laugh.  Like a sitcom in the background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with ya, Trent.  And Jakester too.  Watching Biden nearly asleep and bored and Nancy leading the standing ovation every time with obnoxious eagerness was good for a laugh.  Like a sitcom in the background.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakester</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2009/02/24/obama-congressional-address-live-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-54121</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite parts of Obama&#039;s speech: 

&quot;I believe in an America where every person has their own personal genie that will grant them three wishes.&quot; 

&quot;Every child will have a puppy.&quot;

&quot;The economy is in crises, but if you stop resisting and will follow me, I will save you.&quot;

Followed by: &quot;We will give money to _______, we will invest in _______ (repeated 100 times).&quot;

&quot;We will make it possible to have every child go to college, because millions of liberal arts majors will be the key to our economic viability.&quot;

&quot;We will begin our withdrawal of troops from Iraq with an increase of 17,000 combat troops to Afghanistan.&quot;

&quot;We will fund our socialist government trillion(s) dollar programs with revocation of subsidies to Agri-business.&quot;

&quot;We need to support American industry, but also China, as they now have a lien on your house.&quot; 

Just having a little fun, in all honesty the speech was good, the collectivist tone was a little uncomfortable for me. But overall I found some parts actually inspiring. Not bad!! 

But lets be honest watching Pelosi shoot out of her chair after every sentence (except when charter schools were mentioned) was hard to handle. I kept wondering how much better the speech would have been had &quot;Joe&quot; and &quot;Nancy&quot; not been always in the camera shot!  

You are right Jindal did flop on his chance, really he should have criticized the presidents plans directly. He too seemed timid to directly confront the president&#039;s plan as reckless and irresponsible. Only alluding to it in passing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite parts of Obama&#8217;s speech: </p>
<p>&#8220;I believe in an America where every person has their own personal genie that will grant them three wishes.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Every child will have a puppy.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The economy is in crises, but if you stop resisting and will follow me, I will save you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Followed by: &#8220;We will give money to _______, we will invest in _______ (repeated 100 times).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We will make it possible to have every child go to college, because millions of liberal arts majors will be the key to our economic viability.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We will begin our withdrawal of troops from Iraq with an increase of 17,000 combat troops to Afghanistan.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We will fund our socialist government trillion(s) dollar programs with revocation of subsidies to Agri-business.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We need to support American industry, but also China, as they now have a lien on your house.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just having a little fun, in all honesty the speech was good, the collectivist tone was a little uncomfortable for me. But overall I found some parts actually inspiring. Not bad!! </p>
<p>But lets be honest watching Pelosi shoot out of her chair after every sentence (except when charter schools were mentioned) was hard to handle. I kept wondering how much better the speech would have been had &#8220;Joe&#8221; and &#8220;Nancy&#8221; not been always in the camera shot!  </p>
<p>You are right Jindal did flop on his chance, really he should have criticized the presidents plans directly. He too seemed timid to directly confront the president&#8217;s plan as reckless and irresponsible. Only alluding to it in passing.</p>
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		<title>By: Invader Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invader Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I was only able to catch the last 2 minutes of Obama&#039;s speech, so I&#039;ll have to find it online. One thing that did grind my gears was Jindal&#039;s claim that there will now be a train from Disneyland to Vegas. This is just a flat out lie. There will be funds available for a high speed rail system from Vegas to LA, but it has to be approved by the transportation secretary (Ray H. LaHood) (R). In fact, such a train is not even on the list of rail improvements according to the Fed. Railroad Admin.. 

http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/203

This is the same as when people were tying to convince everyone that 5 billion would go to ACORN. The truth is that fund will be available to groups such as ACORN. 

From factcheck.org
&quot;The bill does include funds for which ACORN would be eligible to compete - against hundreds of other groups. But most is for a housing rehabilitation program ACORN says it never applied for in the past and won&#039;t in the future.&quot;

It&#039;s this kind of blatant lying or &quot;misleading&quot; that these politicians and pundits need to stop. If something smells fishy from either side, I encourage everyone to get the facts and don&#039;t jump in line with whichever pundit you listen to or watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I was only able to catch the last 2 minutes of Obama&#8217;s speech, so I&#8217;ll have to find it online. One thing that did grind my gears was Jindal&#8217;s claim that there will now be a train from Disneyland to Vegas. This is just a flat out lie. There will be funds available for a high speed rail system from Vegas to LA, but it has to be approved by the transportation secretary (Ray H. LaHood) (R). In fact, such a train is not even on the list of rail improvements according to the Fed. Railroad Admin.. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/203" rel="nofollow">http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/203</a></p>
<p>This is the same as when people were tying to convince everyone that 5 billion would go to ACORN. The truth is that fund will be available to groups such as ACORN. </p>
<p>From factcheck.org<br />
&#8220;The bill does include funds for which ACORN would be eligible to compete &#8211; against hundreds of other groups. But most is for a housing rehabilitation program ACORN says it never applied for in the past and won&#8217;t in the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s this kind of blatant lying or &#8220;misleading&#8221; that these politicians and pundits need to stop. If something smells fishy from either side, I encourage everyone to get the facts and don&#8217;t jump in line with whichever pundit you listen to or watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize until afterward how much I was looking forward to Jindal&#039;s response, and hoping for a return of a real fight.  Obama&#039;s presentation was impressive, but it&#039;s Jindal&#039;s flop that stands out.  And my initial &quot;gut instinct&quot; theory is: 

It&#039;s something you normally see in &quot;one party&quot; states like our own, where a party will come to believe it&#039;s own message so completely they become impervious to outside influence or feedback.  Like many of our legislators.  Tonight, the right guy gave the wrong speech in response to the President.  The speech Jindal gave was a perfect response to a Presidential flop.  But what made them think they&#039;d be responding to a flop?  Have they seen this guys approval polls?  Republicans have so convinced themselves that Obama&#039;s election was a fluke, a baseless accident, and that the American people will &quot;wake up&quot; by 2010, that they also believe all they need to do is keep repeating the infomercial often enough and they will regain their relevance and power.

If they are right, it&#039;s a politically cost effective plan of action.  If they are wrong, I have to ask how many election cycles they will have to take a hit in to realize that maybe, just maybe, their message really is out of touch with voters.  If they are wrong, and Obama really is reaching voters and acting as they want their President to act, no Jindal, Huntsman, or even Mittens! is going to repair the damage done to the party.

It&#039;s a big risk to take, and just looking at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/24/225627/571/34/700673&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;snap polls&lt;/a&gt;, it doesn&#039;t appear to be paying out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize until afterward how much I was looking forward to Jindal&#8217;s response, and hoping for a return of a real fight.  Obama&#8217;s presentation was impressive, but it&#8217;s Jindal&#8217;s flop that stands out.  And my initial &#8220;gut instinct&#8221; theory is: </p>
<p>It&#8217;s something you normally see in &#8220;one party&#8221; states like our own, where a party will come to believe it&#8217;s own message so completely they become impervious to outside influence or feedback.  Like many of our legislators.  Tonight, the right guy gave the wrong speech in response to the President.  The speech Jindal gave was a perfect response to a Presidential flop.  But what made them think they&#8217;d be responding to a flop?  Have they seen this guys approval polls?  Republicans have so convinced themselves that Obama&#8217;s election was a fluke, a baseless accident, and that the American people will &#8220;wake up&#8221; by 2010, that they also believe all they need to do is keep repeating the infomercial often enough and they will regain their relevance and power.</p>
<p>If they are right, it&#8217;s a politically cost effective plan of action.  If they are wrong, I have to ask how many election cycles they will have to take a hit in to realize that maybe, just maybe, their message really is out of touch with voters.  If they are wrong, and Obama really is reaching voters and acting as they want their President to act, no Jindal, Huntsman, or even Mittens! is going to repair the damage done to the party.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a big risk to take, and just looking at the <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/24/225627/571/34/700673" rel="nofollow">snap polls</a>, it doesn&#8217;t appear to be paying out.</p>
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