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	<title>Comments on: Rep. Carl Wimmer scandal isn&#8217;t about Rick Koerber, it&#8217;s about the integrity of our justice system</title>
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		<title>By: Brain-Off, Mouth Open: Tom Grover Misses the Point &#124; My Blog</title>
		<link>http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2009/06/28/rep-carl-wimmer-scandal-isnt-about-rick-koerber-its-about-the-integrity-of-our-justice-system/comment-page-1/#comment-431530</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain-Off, Mouth Open: Tom Grover Misses the Point &#124; My Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of a more appropriate way to describe Tom Grover’s recent attempt of political opinionating in his piece, “Rep. Carl Wimmer scandal isn’t about Rick Koerber, it’s about the integrity of our justice [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of a more appropriate way to describe Tom Grover’s recent attempt of political opinionating in his piece, “Rep. Carl Wimmer scandal isn’t about Rick Koerber, it’s about the integrity of our justice [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-66994&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@bert Hollister&lt;/a&gt; 
How strange an overreaction. The Hollister doth protest too much, methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-66994" rel="nofollow">@bert Hollister</a><br />
How strange an overreaction. The Hollister doth protest too much, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derrick,

No one made any request to me to publish a link to Rick&#039;s response, including Rick Koerber.  However, Jason did publish the link in another post on this site.  Here&#039;s the link again: http://tinyurl.com/ny5c5x

It&#039;s a little work to get through it, but I highly recommend!  Check out Rick&#039;s post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derrick,</p>
<p>No one made any request to me to publish a link to Rick&#8217;s response, including Rick Koerber.  However, Jason did publish the link in another post on this site.  Here&#8217;s the link again: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ny5c5x" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ny5c5x</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a little work to get through it, but I highly recommend!  Check out Rick&#8217;s post!</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I heard that you refused to publish a link to Koerber&#039;s response that he published on his blog.  Is this true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I heard that you refused to publish a link to Koerber&#8217;s response that he published on his blog.  Is this true?</p>
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		<title>By: David James</title>
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		<dc:creator>David James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I agree.  But why put the public trust in an individual who has a high propensity to break the trust.  But I also cede your original point:  society and thus media are enamored with the stories that titilate while skimming over the stories that deal with blatant dishonesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I agree.  But why put the public trust in an individual who has a high propensity to break the trust.  But I also cede your original point:  society and thus media are enamored with the stories that titilate while skimming over the stories that deal with blatant dishonesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyson,

It&#039;s understandable why it sometimes seems that way. I believe that 95% of Legislators are probably pretty upstanding, ethical people. For example, the Cache County delegation is solid. It&#039;s the 5% that draw attention to themselves through unethical behavior.

David James,

Regarding trust, you make a completely legitimate argument.  I guess the only distinction I would throw in for discussion is that a unfaithful spouse demonstrates the ability/propensity to betray the public, while an official who intervenes in an investigation actually does betray the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyson,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s understandable why it sometimes seems that way. I believe that 95% of Legislators are probably pretty upstanding, ethical people. For example, the Cache County delegation is solid. It&#8217;s the 5% that draw attention to themselves through unethical behavior.</p>
<p>David James,</p>
<p>Regarding trust, you make a completely legitimate argument.  I guess the only distinction I would throw in for discussion is that a unfaithful spouse demonstrates the ability/propensity to betray the public, while an official who intervenes in an investigation actually does betray the public.</p>
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		<title>By: North Logan Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>North Logan Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to find out that this kind of behavior is more common than we know, sadly enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to find out that this kind of behavior is more common than we know, sadly enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Staheli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Staheli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Wimmer really did the things you (and other news outlets) have reported here, it shouldn&#039;t matter how close a friendship he and Koerber had, although the friendship is the most likely reason for Wimmer&#039;s having thrown his weight around. Wimmer&#039;s interference would be criminal no matter how one looks at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Wimmer really did the things you (and other news outlets) have reported here, it shouldn&#8217;t matter how close a friendship he and Koerber had, although the friendship is the most likely reason for Wimmer&#8217;s having thrown his weight around. Wimmer&#8217;s interference would be criminal no matter how one looks at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

It&#039;s no secret I admire Mark Shurtleff.  I think he&#039;s a great AG. However, his choice to meet with Koerber at Wimmer&#039;s request was a huge mistake. Shurtleff should have done what the Governor did- not meet with Koerber.  But he did, and now it is very reasonable to wonder why he didn&#039;t prosecuter Koerber.  Even if Shurtleff did have legitimate reasons for declining to prosecute, the meeting casts shadows on that decision.  It also doesn&#039;t help that Bret Tolman reached a different decision.

Wimmer stands apart from Shurtleff.  There is no evidence that Shurtleff sought to have Francine Giani, or anyone else, punished for investigating Koerber.  Unlike Wimmer, Shurtleff had no previous ties to Koerber or his business (Keorber had made donations to Wimmers campaign and had coordinated political efforts with him).  While there is circumstantial evidence Shurtleff may have inappropriately used his discretion by not prosecuting Koerber, in contrast there is pretty solid evidence that Wimmer tried to intimidate investigators as a favor for Koerber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no secret I admire Mark Shurtleff.  I think he&#8217;s a great AG. However, his choice to meet with Koerber at Wimmer&#8217;s request was a huge mistake. Shurtleff should have done what the Governor did- not meet with Koerber.  But he did, and now it is very reasonable to wonder why he didn&#8217;t prosecuter Koerber.  Even if Shurtleff did have legitimate reasons for declining to prosecute, the meeting casts shadows on that decision.  It also doesn&#8217;t help that Bret Tolman reached a different decision.</p>
<p>Wimmer stands apart from Shurtleff.  There is no evidence that Shurtleff sought to have Francine Giani, or anyone else, punished for investigating Koerber.  Unlike Wimmer, Shurtleff had no previous ties to Koerber or his business (Keorber had made donations to Wimmers campaign and had coordinated political efforts with him).  While there is circumstantial evidence Shurtleff may have inappropriately used his discretion by not prosecuting Koerber, in contrast there is pretty solid evidence that Wimmer tried to intimidate investigators as a favor for Koerber.</p>
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		<title>By: James Ellsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Ellsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Do you ever plan on dropping that man crush you have on Mark Shurtleff and holding him just as accountable as Mr. Wimmer?  Sure justice is blind, but not when dealing with an old &quot;buddy.&quot;

http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/05/07/tom-grover-rebuked-for-calling-utah-ag-mark-shurtleff-buddy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Do you ever plan on dropping that man crush you have on Mark Shurtleff and holding him just as accountable as Mr. Wimmer?  Sure justice is blind, but not when dealing with an old &#8220;buddy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/05/07/tom-grover-rebuked-for-calling-utah-ag-mark-shurtleff-buddy/" rel="nofollow">http://kvnuforthepeople.com/2008/05/07/tom-grover-rebuked-for-calling-utah-ag-mark-shurtleff-buddy/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Butterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Butterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thorough examination, Tom. We&#039;ve just got to get this kind of stuff cleaned out of the party and out of our state politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very thorough examination, Tom. We&#8217;ve just got to get this kind of stuff cleaned out of the party and out of our state politics.</p>
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		<title>By: David James</title>
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		<dc:creator>David James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I agree with the point of the post.  Two comments regarding assertions.  When we go looking for justices who will rule in specific ways and view themselves as lawmakers rather than administers of justice then justice isn&#039;t blind anymore.  It should be the ideal, it does not seem to be the reality.

Second, you asserted that the breaking of public trust is far worse than breaking family trusts.  I don&#039;t agree.  The old saying is that if a person will lie to his family he will lie to everyone.  I have found it to be true.  Thus the outrage when family trust is broken.  Many of us assume that means the public trust is broken as well.  As a result, we have little trust in the person regardless of political persuasion until amends are made.  If the broken trust is serious enough, we many never trust the person again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I agree with the point of the post.  Two comments regarding assertions.  When we go looking for justices who will rule in specific ways and view themselves as lawmakers rather than administers of justice then justice isn&#8217;t blind anymore.  It should be the ideal, it does not seem to be the reality.</p>
<p>Second, you asserted that the breaking of public trust is far worse than breaking family trusts.  I don&#8217;t agree.  The old saying is that if a person will lie to his family he will lie to everyone.  I have found it to be true.  Thus the outrage when family trust is broken.  Many of us assume that means the public trust is broken as well.  As a result, we have little trust in the person regardless of political persuasion until amends are made.  If the broken trust is serious enough, we many never trust the person again.</p>
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		<title>By: bert Hollister</title>
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		<dc:creator>bert Hollister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 03:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is full of shit, and reflects poorly on KNVU. As a faithful Loganite, I am done with you. You have taken a story of a story and made a fairy tail out of it. Disgusting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is full of shit, and reflects poorly on KNVU. As a faithful Loganite, I am done with you. You have taken a story of a story and made a fairy tail out of it. Disgusting</p>
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